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De Bunker

Ok, cool, but don't you get huge edge effects at the corners? Are you just doing a fourier transform in cartesian coordinates? Spherical harmonics works because the earth approximately a sphere (e.g. l=0 is the biggest term). But to approximate a sphere using a cartesian basis requires an infinite number of Fourier modes...

Dave Mosher

From Brandon Jones in response to the comment by "De Bunker":

Good questions.

Actually, you don't get any edge effects. In order to avoid a bunch of mathematical details, let's keep the photography analogy. If you zoom in on a single pixel of a photograph, you don't care about the other pixels. You only care about the color, or in this case the gravity, represented by that pixel. If you are between pixels, you can guess (interpolate) based on the gravity in the pixels around you.

Now, what if you are exactly on the edge? Don't you have to use information from two different pictures? Actually, we store the information so that pictures overlap. That way, you only have to use information stored in a single picture. Problem solved!

Commonly the spherical harmonics model is represented in spherical coordinates (latitude, longitude, and radius). I've never seen it represented in Cartesian for the evaluation of gravity (but that doesn't mean people don't do it). The result is then converted to Cartesian coordinates, but the evaluation itself is spherical. For current cubed sphere gravity models, the gravity is still represented in the spherical coordinates. This makes switching between the spherical harmonics and the cubed sphere easier, among other things. After all, we are taking a "picture" of a spherical object. When you look at a picture of the Earth, you see a 2D representation of a 3-D, spherical object. The cubed sphere model is similar. Why pretend it is anything else? :)

Here is a question to ponder, how do we model the gravity for an object that is not a sphere, such as many comets and asteroids? Spherical harmonics starts to break down because the model is not spherical. The cubed sphere doesn't care what the shape of the object is, you only have to be able to take a "picture" of it.

Tom Manning

Personally I think this kid is just plain brilliant but I have a couple of questions.

What are we doing currently to provide such excellent maps of the lunar gravity field? Also what are we doing for Mars? Are these maps really critical to the success of manned missions to Mars and to the Moon? Are they more important because we are sending humans and if so why? Also will they help us to map out the mineral content of Mars?

Tom Manning

I realize you answered the question about the Lunar surface but I mean really is it that important? We landed on the Moon previously without this and I wonder if it really makes it that much safer or more reliable. And also while on the subject is the Martian gravity field all that irregular?

Tom Manning

Are U.S. tax dollars paying for this?

Brandon Jones

Oh Tom, did you get bored during your lunch break :) (Tom is an old friend of mine, to those that may think I’m belittling a stranger)

With NASA returning to the Moon, the interest in the Moon’s gravity field is growing considerably. The Japanese have SELENE (Kaguya), NASA is about to send LRO, and there are plans for a GRACE like mission to the Moon (GRAIL). As for the need for more accurate models, there are major differences between what NASA did in the Apollo days and what is planned with the Constellation program. While two Apollo astronauts explored the lunar surface, the command module was in orbit for about three days with a crewmember aboard. Gravity anomalies won’t cause as much of a problem after three days as they do after 6 months (which is one of the possible mission durations considered by NASA). What if the Orion vehicle loses contact with the ground? How will it know its position and velocity? How will it make corrections? Higher fidelity gravity model aboard the vehicle help mitigate the problem.

Are these better models absolutely critical to manned mission to Mars or the Moon? No. The success of the Apollo missions proves that. However, they make things considerably easier, safer, and cheaper. Not to mention a faster gravity model makes ground simulations more accurate for little or no change in computation time. This helps in mission planning.

As for your question on whether better gravity models are more important because we are sending humans, the answer is no. Better gravity models are more necessary for scientific missions, and have been a topic of research for over 100 years. Ask oceanographers relying on the Jason-1 or OSTM satellites how better navigation solutions (which rely on accurate gravity models) have improved tracking of the Earth’s oceans. This of course helps with predicting and monitoring hurricanes (for example), which is something I’m sure you care about if you live along the Gulf of Mexico…

As for monitoring the mineral content of Mars, I do not know. That is more of a question for a scientist. However, changes in the gravity field do allow you to track changes in mass distribution, i.e. the seasonal melting and growth of the polar ice caps of Mars. See research by Maria Zuber of MIT, and possibly others.

As for the source of the funding for this research, I’m not at liberty to divulge that information :)

Steve Provence

So you are saying that the source of the funding for this is shrouded in secrecy?

Steve Provence

So you are saying that the source of the funding for this is shrouded in secrecy?

Brandon Jones

Hey Steve. Of course not! It's just me giving Tom a hard time. This project is currently funded by the NASA Graduate Student Researchers Program (GSRP) through JSC.

Tom Manning

Well I have to say I think the "higher fidelity gravity model aboard the vehicle" might be a bit ambitious. Building a guidance system with that sort of complexity sounds like a great research project but the increased cost and complexity of building and maintaining that beast would be greater than its corresponding benefit. (just a guess, what would I know?). However I do see the point about using it in training and in simulation to help the humans on board the landing vehicle cope with the anticipated gravity environment. Because we succeeded with Apollo does not mean we cannot fail with Orion.

As far as unmanned vehicles go I think its still best left as a preprocessing enterprise until we have the ability to make radiation hardened computers that can do this sort of thing along with all of their other responsibilities. Right now to automate landing I believe you need a higher frequency feedback response than adding this software would allow. Of course in the future who knows. I know you are on the bleeding edge more than I am so maybe you know of some deep space systems that can do this. Or maybe you have a minimal version of it that can be used for such purposes. That would be something that would peak my interest.

And no I did not put the comment about the taxpayer dollars. That was posted by my favorite bureaucrat.

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