ID Exclusive: Criminal Profiler Calls Casey Anthony "Dark Damsel"

July 31, 2008

In an effort to understand the psyche of Casey Anthony, Investigation Discovery enrolled the help of Dr. Deborah Schurman-Kauflin, a renowned criminal profiler who has over 20 years experience in profiling everything from serial murders to aberrant sex crimes. In 1999, Dr. Schurman-Kauflin profiled the BTK serial killer. Years later, when Dennis Rader was arrested for the crimes, the profile proved to be a shockingly accurate reflection of the killer.

According to Dr. Schurman-Kauflin, Casey Anthony is a "dark damsel" who is seemingly ignoring the disappearance of her 2-year-old child, Caylee Anthony.

"The hallmark of a good predator is that she constantly tells lies. If you clutter the truth with enough of what's false, no one can tell what is real," Dr. Schurman-Kauflin said. "This is why the female offender keeps everyone guessing with deception. Keep people chasing their tails, and they don't have the time to fight you. You will often find female offenders are remarkably good at making people do what they want. They are especially skilled at manipulating men. Women know there is more than one way to make a man wild. She can seduce him. She can lead him in circles. When that fails, she can kill.  Seduce-circle-kill."

By examining Anthony's behavioral patterns, Dr. Schurman-Kauflin said that her true self will become visible and it will become easier to predict her actions.

"In her eyes, those close to her are mere things that can be tossed in the trash when they get in the way. Follow her men, and you will follow her thinking. What that means is female predators are especially driven by their need to feel sexual and appealing. They need their men more than they need their families. Male attention is exciting, while family is judgmental. Men build her ego, but their children tear it down. What feeds her ego? If you figure this out, you figure her out. Seduce-circle-kill."

In regards to the trail of lies surrounding the case, Dr. Schurman-Kauflin said that they suggest Anthony is desperate for attention.

"She went toward excitement and lied when it suited her," she said, adding, "Lies surround her.  Truth looks very hard to find here."

Unfortunately, determining what happened to Caylee is not as clear-cut.

"It is unclear at this point what happened to Caylee. However, what is clear is that Ms. Anthony did not put Caylee first when the child disappeared," Dr. Schurman-Kauflin said. "She did not do her best to help police find the responsibility [child] that had taken so much of her life.   There have been rumors that she partied while her child faded into the night. Finally, she comes across as angry that people care more for her missing child than her. Her pattern comes across very clear. She put herself first, at least when it came to her disappearing baby." 

In summary, Dr. Schurman-Kauflin said that if Anthony's patter of behaviors is followed, the truth behind Caylee's disappearance will be revealed.

Visit Dr. Deborah Schurman-Kauflin's Website at: www.drdsk.com

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Dr. Deborah Schurman-Kauflin's photo courtesy of the Violent Crimes Institute

Comments

[Misty]

I've been especially interested in the comments of a reporter from People who interviewed people who knew her in high school, saying that she would lie and continue to lie even when faced directly with the truth and evidence and would not back down. This and other comments about her behavior points to an antisocial personality disorder; regardless of the outcome of what has happened to her child, it seems that she is unable to empathize with the feelings of others.

[Misty]

I've been especially interested in the comments of a reporter from People who interviewed people who knew her in high school, saying that she would lie and continue to lie even when faced directly with the truth and evidence and would not back down. This and other comments about her behavior points to an antisocial personality disorder; regardless of the outcome of what has happened to her child, it seems that she is unable to empathize with the feelings of others.

[Mary]

Excellent analysis. IMO, one of the keys to unlocking this mystery rests with Casey's relationship with Caylee's father. While it has been reported that he died in an auto accident a year ago, little else has been revealed. News accounts do not even mention his name or his family. Was he ever legally established as Caylee's father? How old was he? Did he pay child support? Where did he live? Where did he work? Who were his friends? How did he and Casey meet? How long did they know each other before she became pregnant? How do people describe their relationship? Was he involved in Caylee's life? Was Caylee eligible for SS benefits after his death? What was Cindy and George Anthony's relationship with him? Do they know his family?

It seems to me that there is a shocking lack of investigative reporting going on. I have yet to see one interview with Casey's parents where they have been asked any of the above questions. Watching Cindy Anthony's responses would be worth the price of admission....

[CelesteBlueDawn]

Yet, even MORE photos to back this...
http://www.flickr.com/photos/equalizeyou/

[Shira from New York]

Aside from the seduce-circle-kill bit, I thought this was rather disappointing. Either the Dr. is not that familiar with the case, or she is not very insightful. Her analysis is vague and general while the case has been fascinating -- and disturbing -- because of all the incriminating details.

This is not a case of "she did not do her best to help police," as Dr. Schurman-Kauflin states. This is a case of "she blatantly lied about everything." Most of the lies are laughably transparent. The pathology of this is staggering to me and this ability to rebound with even more lies seems to be a trait inherited from her mother. Cindy Anthony is an absolute factory of lies. Though she is captured on the 911 tape screaming that her car smells like there had been a dead body in it, she comes back to claim that it was rotten pizza or a dead squirrel.

Also, Dr. Schurman-Kauflin seems unaware that photos have emerged, proving that Casey was out partying in the midst of her alleged investigation of her missing child.

There are so many smoking guns in this case, so much incriminating evidence, part of which seems to be the web of lies that continue to be spun. The Anthony mother and grandmother are playing a game of Whack-A-Mole with truth and reality. Whenever another bit of incriminating evidence pops up...whack!...they bop it down with another lie.

I hate to say it but isn't it clear that this child has been murdered or killed accidentally? Every sane and loving mother in the WORLD knows that she would not have a second's peace if her toddler were missing for 3 minutes. I can still remember when my now-24 year old son went missing in the lobby of a NYC highrise 21 years ago. I nearly died of fear while we were looking for him. It turned out he had run into a closing elevator and rode it up and down for about 10 minutes, emerging onto the second floor. A kindly neighbor carried him, screaming and crying, into the lobby. I will NEVER forget how I sat and laughed uncontrollably with relief when he was returned to me. That was one of the worst 10 minutes of my entire life.

You do not need to be a criminal expert to recognize a sociopath when you see one. Or a narcissist. Casey Anthony does not give a damn about anyone. She is annoyed to be in jail. She is pissed at her mother. She feels victimized. She has no shame for what she has done. Forget about remorse.

What I'm interested in hearing from an insightful expert is what the hell is up with the Anthony family. This is dangerous dysfunction.

And I'd be interested in hearing if Casey's seduce-circle-kill abilities might have extended to her father. Is George the father of Casey's child? Is that why this former law enforcement officer has not spilled the beans?

[Me in Minnesota]

I know several people exactly like Casey Anthony - my son is one. Casey cares only about herself and having a good time. The lies are to cover her a$$... to keep her parents from finding out what she is really doing (partying, drugs, sex) and keep them as allies who dole out the money, give her a free place to live, car to drive, free babysitting. I don't know if Cindy finally put her foot down or what happened Father's Day but Casey is punishing her family. I don't know what happened to Caylee but Casey does. Women like Casey will leave their kid with 'friends' that they have just met. These are considered 'friends' because they have the same lifestyle and run in the same circles even if they just met an hour ago. She could have left Caylee with someone and can't recall who or she could very well know exactly who has her. Cindy knows she has to play the game too or she will never find out what happened to Caylee.

It is very hard to get the truth from someone like Casey. I think Caylee is alive and Casey knows who has her. It will be another person JUST LIKE CASEY and they will cover for her. It will be another party/drug/sex crowd person that is sitting back watching all this.

[Me in Minnesota]

I know several people exactly like Casey Anthony - my son is one. Casey cares only about herself and having a good time. The lies are to cover her a$$... to keep her parents from finding out what she is really doing (partying, drugs, sex) and keep them as allies who dole out the money, give her a free place to live, car to drive, free babysitting. I don't know if Cindy finally put her foot down or what happened Father's Day but Casey is punishing her family. Women like Casey will leave their kid with 'friends' that they have just met. These are considered 'friends' because they have the same lifestyle and run in the same circles even if they just met an hour ago. She could have left Caylee with someone and can't recall who or she could very well know exactly who has her. Cindy knows she has to play the game too or she will never find out what happened to Caylee.

It is very hard to get the truth from someone like Casey. I think Caylee is alive and Casey knows who has her. It will be another person JUST LIKE CASEY and they will cover for her. It will be another party/drug/$ex crowd person.

[RC]

yeah, this really is a very generic report: 'By examining Anthony's behavioral patterns, Dr. Schurman-Kauflin said that her true self will become visible and it will become easier to predict her actions.' and 'if Anthony's patter(n) of behaviors is followed, the truth behind Caylee's disappearance will be revealed.' really? wow!

i think the fault lies with the reporter who probably dumbed down anything interesting to add but i also agreed with another poster who noted that the profiler probably at best only has passing knowledge of the case.

personally, i thought the profiler was going to link the seemingly deceptive behavior of Casey to her very odd mother, Cindy, as someone who also craves attention by throwing a lot of leads that police couldn't seem to find useful. this is the same grandmother who arrested her daughter, called 911, posts cryptic messages on her daughter's myspace page (i guess actually talking to your daughter who lives in the same house is unthinkable). finally, i don't know that seduce-circle-kill is correct because the profiler talks about manipulation... you can manipulate nearly as well by shouting down the opposition, kind of like Cindy does in her 'cameos' -- sometimes speaking with conviction would convince a lot of people to vacate their positions.

[Skylandia]

Dr. Schurman-Kauflin is telling us that Caylee is not alive. She has been discarded by her psychopathic mother. Do you believe for a minute that Casey would still be sitting in jail if Caylee were alive and well? She is stalling the inevitable and has already left many clues through her unconscious communication. See "thoughtprints": http://forensicthoughtprints.com/about.html.

I suprised her parents have tolerated the lies for so long.

[K. C. Aunt-Knee]

I’d like to see more detailed analysis of the types of lying Casey is doing. Are their different reasons for the different lies? For example, is she lying about the names of key people, such as her manager and witnesses, to throw people off track, while lying about the name of the nanny would be for a different reason such as wanting to hide the identity of actual care-givers? Why is she lying about the time-line? I suspect some of her lies are to fill in details she’s forgotten while others are intended to derail the investigation. Some of her more recent lies may be intended to manipulate public opinion or to stage a possible insanity defense if it’s needed.

Is it possible to provide this type of analysis or disect the lies to this level?

Whatever her reasons, I don’t think she is taking into consideration that there is a difference between someone that doesn’t know the difference between right and wrong and someone that knows the difference, but doesn’t care.

[K. C. Aunt-Knee]

I’d like to see more detailed analysis of the types of lying Casey is doing. Are their different reasons for the different lies? For example, is she lying about the names of key people, such as her manager and witnesses, to throw people off track, while lying about the name of the nanny would be for a different reason such as wanting to hide the identity of actual care-givers? Why is she lying about the time-line? I suspect some of her lies are to fill in details she’s forgotten while others are intended to derail the investigation. Some of her more recent lies may be intended to manipulate public opinion or to stage a possible insanity defense if it’s needed.

Is it possible to provide this type of analysis or disect the lies to this level?

Whatever her reasons, I don’t think she is taking into consideration that there is a difference between someone that doesn’t know the difference between right and wrong and someone that knows the difference, but doesn’t care.

[Tea]

With regard to Caylee's bio father: According to reports the guy was killed in a car crash "somewhere in the Carolinas" last year. Cindy Anthony said on Larry King that the father was never in the child's life, that he was not named on the birth certificate, and that, per a mutual agreement between Casey and the father, child support was never sought. Does any of that sound normal? I truly believe that Casey didn't know who the father was and didn't want to admit it to her family. I suspect that her family may have begun to pressure her to seek support and that's when she told the story that, "Oh, he died in a car crash." This girl is a shell filled with untruth. I've known people like her who would lie when the truth would serve them better. There are people who lie to get out of trouble or out of uncomfortable situations. That is a normal defense mechanism and everyone does it sooner or later, but this is a person who will and can lie about anything at anytime for no apparent reason, and really can't stop even when confronted.

I think the only person who might have a chance of learning from her what happened would be her brother. They seem to be the closest. I'm not sure about her relationship with her father. He may be able to get her to crack if they have been close. She would never tell her mom. It would be a man she would tell, I believe. The right male investigator might be able to build up an intimacy with her and she could possibly tell him something meaningful.

[David]

It is clear to me that the mother had been enabled by the grandparents all her life. She was probably treated like a "princess" and whenever she lied as a little girl her parents thought it was cute and they enabled her. In the mother's short 22 years she's always been able to get a way with nonsense by being "cute" and not telling the truth. And now I'm sure she has no idea of the trouble she's in because living in her fantasy world of lies has always worked before.

[Paul]

Based on what I have read and seen, Casey Anthony seems like a classic case of Reactive Attachment Disorder. Severe cases will stop at nothing to control every situation, every one around them, all the time. The focus is on them, they lie, cheat, steal, and kill to get what they want. Everything seems to point to this. Give up trying to get the truth out of Casey, it will never happen unless it suits her.

[just me]

I was watching Nancy Grace yesterday and she had a forensic patholigist giving his expert opinion, I believe it was Dr. Perper the same doc that did Ana Nicoles Smith autopsy. The point that I wanted to make is that since I have been watching this case unravel in the news it hasn't made any sense. Could it be that Casey Anthony is not as ignorant as she claims to be... Nancy Grace asked Dr. Perper how long does it take before experts cannot find a cause of death on human remains, he stated something like 8 or 9 weeks or something like that. Depending on the location of the body.

Well guess what? we all know that Ms. Casey is 31 days ahead of the investigation and the time is ticking. Casey Anthony in my opinion is alot smarter than her mother gives her credit for and she is ahead of her game. If the police cannot connect the dots she might just walk. (so sad)

[kathy]

I agree with celest blue-dawn. I could have done a better job profiling this case. Either your profiler doesn't know much about the case or isn't that great at it. All of us that are following this case can see that Casey is a pathological liar and only cares about herself and is very narcistic. Do a profile on what this type of person is capable of doing with their child and why everything they are saying is a lie and it just turns into more lies. One thing...she learned alot of this from her mother altho I don't believe her mother is involved in anything illegal. But she is prodding her daughter on to just continue in her lies.

Why not do a real profile on why the mother is this way and how someone can get at the truth of what happened here and find this child, either dead or alive?

[Rich]

The reason she isn't talking is because she knows that they'll never find the body. Caylee probably became alligator food. Casey just doesn't look like the type of person that would invest the amount of time and effort required to dig a hole.

[Rick]

Does anyone recall if Caylee is her only child? I thought it was earlier reported that she had a 5 year old boy that was put up for adoption.

[Tea]

I am constantly dismayed by how many times the cable news people get the facts wrong in this case. They misstate facts, and are not using updated information.

Just me, that's a good point about Casey already being several weeks ahead of the game. And I think that if Cindy was honest with herself, she would realize that she knew a lot earlier on something was wrong. She knew, at the very least, how flaky her daughter was.

Doesn't it seem that if Caylee is dead, her body would be close (like Casey said)? I know that Casey said she lost the one phone, but they should still have the second phone, right? Does anyone know how pinging works? Can police go back after the fact and determine where the first phone was used by triangulation even if they don't have the phone?

[Peggy]

The cadaver dogs hit on the car and the back yard. This child is dead no way around it. I don't care what orbital dialog this lady wants to use. You cannot forget that a dead body was in the trunk of her car. She probably left the little girl in the car and the heat killed her.

[V.S.]

Skylandia : The guy who does "thoughtprints" wrote an entire book about how Patty Ramsey killed Jon Benet, on the strength that Patty Ramsey confessed in the ransom note that she wrote. This conjecture has always had forensic evidence against it and recently has gotten enough evidence that the Ramseys have been officially cleared. This isn't a really good recommedation for him.

Paul: that's my favorite theory right now too. Cindy Anthony has Borderline Personality Disorder (or maybe Narcisisstic PD) and between genetic predisposition and inadequate parenting (who thinks that Lee Anthony was a warm, nurturing and loving sort of father to the infant Casey? Anyone?) Casey has RAD or maybe BPD herself. Some professionals consider type II personality disorders to be the adult forms of RAD, so arguably there's not even a distinction. (Others have suggested Antisocial PD, but usually people with APD attract police attention well before 22 years of age.)

Unfortunately if any of this is anywhere near correct it doesn't rule out anything with regards to Caylee's welfare and whereabouts. If this is correct Casey may well be capable of murder, but she'd also be capable of irresponsibility leading to accidental death, giving away or selling Caylee. It also doesn't rule out the possibility that she actually is protecting someone (family or Caylee, say from Cindy and Lee Anthony) in the only way she knows how, but her abilities and judgement are hampered due to RAD/BPD. She'd also be capable of mentally going so deep into her lies she believes them herself, regardless of what the actual situation was.

None of which really provides any insight into what might have happened to Caylee, unfortunately.

[Lydia]

The child is dead. She was killed accidentally either by being left in the car or trunk while casey partied or by being given a drug to calm her down or she drank or swallowed a pill she saw lying around casey's apartment with her loser druggie roommates and overdosed. or casey hit her and cracked her skull. something happened accidentally and the child died. casey first buried her in the back yard of her parents' place and realized that was very stupid. so she dug her up, put her in the trunk of her car, and reburied her somewhere in the woods where she will never be found. and casey was relieved because she didn't reallly miss the kid that much and she didn't have to listen to her mother's nagging anymore or worry about money or being responsible since she is a sociopath. and she stalled and stalled when the grandmother would call to talk to caylee. caylee would be "napping" or "taking a bath" or "blah blah blah". this kid was killed earlier than the day the grandmother finally found casey and the car with the funky smell and casey made up the abduction story. and that whole time, casey partied with her roommates money, her mother's credit cards, and any other money she stole. she had fun, sex, bought clothes, drove around, and then when she got busted by her mom, she lied and lied. i think she really thinks she'll get out of this. i hope she cracks finally. it will be a great day.

[the Witch]

I live in Orlando, everyone keeps saying. Help find Caylee! But no one will tell us where to look!... Its ridiculous, and whats up with that limo that the grandmother is riding around in. I think this mother let that baby die on accident, such as leaving her in a hot car, or sleeping while the baby was awake and the child ultimatley died by water or poison. then she panicked, she has moved the body twice and has ultimatly dumped it in one on the many lakes that surround her home. I also find it very strange that the police have never issued and Amber Alert for this child. It is a common practice in this state!!!!!!

[Laura]

does anyone (this is terrible to say) get the sense there's some peyton place stuff going on in this family? my worst thoughts are that 1. they never knew who fathered casey's child (some homeless guy? drug guy?), 2. lee (the brother) is the father of the child? 3. the parents and brother are now acomplices in covering up the death so that if the body is ever found (unlikely..either buried or eaten by alligators), it's so decomposed they cannot find a cause of death after 9 weeks. 4. there was a lot of abuse/fighting/stealing/lying going on in that family for a LONG time and everyone was about to crack in time? 5. the brother lee and casey never seemed to go to college or have any employment and lived off the parents? am i the only one who has concluded these scenarios that could be far-fetched. but still!!!

[Judy]

I believe that Casey might have left Caylee in the hot car and she died. As far as I know, no one has mentioned that as a possibility. She then moved Caylee to the trunk, buried her in the backyard for some time, and moved her later to another location. She buried her with the shovel that she borrowed from the neighbor. That could explain the dogs finding a smell in the car trunk (and evidence) and in the backyard.

I certainly hope I am wrong and that Caylee will be found alive.

[J D Jones]

Do the police HAVE to allow Casey to have visitors? Because if they don't have to, I wish they wouldn't. I am so sick of how Casey's parents and brother stand up for their murdering daughter (sister). I wish they would stop all visitation and phone calls, and work to isolate Casey from all of her support. Maybe then she might crack.

How her family can continue to back her and support her is beyond me. Her dad says "Walk in my shoes." Well, I would gladly walk in his shoes. I would walk into that jail and demand that my daughter tell the truth. And I would tell her that she would have no family to come home to until she did, and until that little girl was found.

Her family makes me sick how they defend her. They are JUST AS BAD AS SHE IS, and JUST AS GUILTY for not publicly condemning her lies. Casey needs to have no where to turn.

God, how I pray that they can keep her behind bars until the little girl is brought home.

[TAXEDD]

I think the things they took out of the shed today were things that were in the car when it was returned to the parents. The items could have been left on the ground before they were put into the shed. Two dogs, same reaction, speaks for itself.

[TAXEDD]

I think the things they took out of the shed today were things that were in the car when it was returned to the parents. The items could have been left on the ground before they were put into the shed. Two dogs, same reaction, speaks for itself.

[Tea]

The hot car theory has been around for awhile, and it's a theory that is pretty valid. Here's what I'm wondering, regardless of what happened to the poor little kid, why would Casey come up with a cockamamie story and create this "nanny" that doesn't exist, and spin all these tales to the cops, taking them on a tour of Orlando, telling them she knew these people and worked at these places when she damn well must have known the lies wouldn't stick? Why not pull a Susan Smith and say that someone took the baby from her at the store or something? Even if Casey is a pathological liar, you'd think she'd come up with better lies. Lies which can't be debunked in a 5 minute phone call.

[Tea]

The hot car theory has been around for awhile, and it's a theory that is pretty valid. Here's what I'm wondering, regardless of what happened to the poor little kid, why would Casey come up with a cockamamie story and create this "nanny" that doesn't exist, and spin all these tales to the cops, taking them on a tour of Orlando, telling them she knew these people and worked at these places when she darn well must have known the lies wouldn't stick? Why not pull a Susan Smith and say that someone took the baby from her at the store or something? Even if Casey is a pathological liar, you'd think she'd come up with better lies. Lies which can't be debunked in a 5 minute phone call.

Tea
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[txsvicki]

I think the car with the decomp smell,hair,the stain, and the maggots will lead to the truth of what happened to Caylee. There is a witness (Tony) who knows that Casey last had the vehicle before calling him to come pick her up. Any forensics found in the shed and in the yard will also be key. There is no baby stealing nanny involved with some danger to the whole family. The only danger to this family is Casey.

[me]

I agree with the posts by VS and Laura. This woman has a history of lying to cover things up when she gets caught. Something happened...possibly accidentally...which caused her death: the child was hit by the "mother" or boyfriend, left in a hot car so that the "mother" could go and party, overdosed on something she may have found and swallowed,etc... The "mother" then freaks out - knows she is responsible for her daughter's death - due to her own negligence and neglect- and attempts to cover this up. I believe that she is a sociopath, with no connection to other's feelings, and also narcissitic to an extent, but then again - she is 22 and has a 2 year old toddler. How much maturity,emapthy and unselfishness can you possibly expect out of someone who obviously is still a child themselves? She has not grown up and is not ready for the demands and responsibilites of motherhood. When the accident happens, she parties and feels completely free for the first time since having her daughter...to do what she wants, when she wants and with not a care in the world - other than herself and the boyfriend. She is smart and has lied all her life to herself, her family and her friends, and has gotten away with deceptions - which she conveniently falls back on as another "coping mechanism" again in this time of need. She tries to cover her tracks, borrows the neighbor's shovel, buries the child in the parent's backyard, realizes that this will not work forever, moves the child in the grandfather's car, again buries the child in another location or desposes of the body, abandons the car, (as she has with the child) and calls the boyfriend with another lie about the car and needing a ride. I don't really want to say this, but my "gut feeling" is that this little girl is dead and the mother is responsible. This case eerily reminds me of Scott Peterson's pathology, and his desperate attempts at concealing his crime. Honestly, I know the family wants to support their daughter, but I also think that deep down they know what has happened, but don't want to believe it. After 22 years of allowing her to lie to you, and I am sure, catching her in some of her deceptions- you know at some level the inner person and are capable of intuitively picking up on the deceptions and half truths...unless of course you are in denial. But come on - you have got to wake up sometime, and now is clearly the time to confont her. She is guilty and her lies will eventually be her undoing.
Breaks my heart. I will forever mourn for that beautiful little girl, and for all of the other children out there who never had a chance.

[Crime Junkie]

One only has to listen to psycho mama Cindy to see where Caylee learned to lie. At the first bond hearing Cindy Anthony was chewing gum, kept rubbing her head on the witness stand, her body language revealed she was lying, and she had wicked cotton mouth. I think Cindy Anthony is on meds, a nurse helping herself to downers because her demeanor changes each time and her eyes just stare out, no life in them. The whole family is whacked. I'm surprised more friends and neighbors haven't spoken up about Casey, the family, etc. How dare anyone say she was a good mother, what good mother would sit in jail rather than help police. What an insult to all the searchers who are trying to help the Anthony family too. How can the Anthony's face people knowing they continue to stonewall and enable their daughter's deception. There's so much more to this case we don;t even know the half of it.

[Tea]

Does anyone know where I can get a transcript/video of the initial bond hearing? I saw a clip today with Cindy Anthony where she testified that apparently at one time she believed Jessie Grund was Caylee's dad. I know that subsequent to that she has indicated otherwise.

Tea
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[Detective Wannabe]

Questions/Concerns:

1.Casey's friend Amy needs to be questioned due to the fact that Casey had picked her up from the airport the day Caylee was reported missing, she flew in from Puerto Rico? Could she have taken her there for Casey? What car did Casey pick her up in due to Casey's car being in the impound lot?

2.I also find it hard to believe that Cindy or George never spoke or saw the babysitter for 1 1/2 yrs. They both claim to be such attentive and hands on grandparents. They had to pick Caylee up or drop her off for Casey??? And they never spoke to her on the phone? They weren't ever concerned or questioned Casey whos care she was leaving Caylee in?

3.Also, they lived with her and they just backed down and let Casey leave with Caylee for 30 days without questioning or fueding with her not to leave with Caylee? how confsuing she had to be to be living with her grandparents one minute and Tony the next? That too, shows Casey's selfishness and immaturity to put her daughter in that position. Shame on the grandparents for not making her accountable for herself and her daughter. They should have put up and fight and let Casey go but Caylee had to stay for her own wellbeing. Why weren't they more hands on?

4.Also, I went to Orange County Clerk of Court website and ran Zenaida Fernandez-Gonzalez name and came up with a Zanaida Fernandez-Rosado instead in the Orlando area. Casey could be lieing about her full name and only be giving the partial correct name. When I pulled up this lady, she had being convicted from an apartment in the Orlando area.

The little questions and concerns could add up to the bigger picture!!

[whatif]

Definitely the whole family is whacked....or....maybe not ALL.
1) What if the brother is the father of Caylee? Has anyone see a photo of him? (could there be a resemblence to Caylee?) Does anyone know how old the brother is?
2) And what about the grandfather? Could HE be the father of Caylee? He comes across to me as being even wierder than the grandmother who is a super whacko. And if he is a former policeman he certainly is not acting like one.
Either of these two scenarios would explain a lot of the family's coverup. There seems to be a lot of deep, dark secrets over and above Casey's lying and the who, what, where and why of Caylee's absence.

[Tea]

Ha! Even if Caylee looked just like her uncle, she's related to him. My son looks like his uncle, and he is definitely not Uncle Daddy. This case is strange enough without making it even stranger with no evidence whatsoever to support it.

Why, if the Anthony family believes for one second, that someone has their granddaughter/niece/daughter, has none of them ever faced the camera and asked for this person to bring her back? I have never seen a missing child case where the family hasn't done this at least once.

Tea
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[Crime Junkie]

I also went to Orange Cty. Clerk of the Courts and found speeding tickets for Lee, and Tony Lazzaro. It's cool you can see all of the things filed against Casey. I also noticed a dissolution was filed against Cynthia by George in November 07 but it looks like it was resolved. That may explain how unplugged into everything George was in the beginning. How interesting he's the ex-cop in the family, yet it was Cindy George who turned her daughter into the cops and called 911. Me thinks the family has covered up for Casey Anthony before, whenever she does wrong. Wonder if her cell phone got buried accidentally w/ Caylee (God forbid :-(
at Jay Blanchard Park. God I wish they'd find her or someone would come forward with info.

[Alykat]

No way a narcissist like Casey would sit in jail if she could produce any real proof that Caylee is alive & well w/ nanny. Obviously lying & guilty!!

[April]

I'm sorry, but this is all just disgusting and goes way deeper than we will ever know!!! The grandmother makes me want to throw up, saying Casey is just Casey living the life of any other 22 year old!! UGH!!! I gave birth to my first child, a daughter when I was 17 and my second, a son, a year and 5 days later. Before my 21st birthday the father of my kids and I split up in a very very violent way. I was 20 years old, had 2 toddlers, my family was 339 miles away, I had nothing, no car, no money and spent 3 weeks in a hospital (due to the violate ending to our 7 year relationship) with no insurance... It took me 4 LONG years to get my life back on track, But i did it every day with my children, they helped me, they made me WANT to get my life back on track for THEM... I didn't see they inside of a bar until my 25th birthday when I finally celebrated my 21st birthday while my small children were in the safe,loving care or their grandparents... Now, these kids are 17 and 16 and my mother, their grandmother ask me everyday what they're up too, how they're doing... For a grandmother to wait 31 days is appalling to say the least and to Casey, if you are telling the truth and your daughter is still alive, SPILL IT!!! YOUR LIFE IS ON THE LINE TOO YOU SELFISH B@#$%!
P.S. 14 years later... I have been happily engaged since christmas to the man of my dreams!!!

[tiffaniee]

I have been ABSOLUTELY consumed by this case. I've spent hours in blogs, on myspace and youtube. I've had dozens of scenerios run through my head. I've come to conclude this..
Casey is a compulsive, lying, spoiled brat.
She shows little emotion in her words or actions.
But is she a cold-blodded murder?? I don't believe it. If she wanted to live a single child-free life I think her parents would have happily raised that little girl...The option was there.
I believe that something terrible happened to her daughter on June 16th...which was the reason for the flurry of calls to her family... but I feel it was completely accidental. I think she didn't inform the police because she knew her negligence would get her in trouble. Selfish yes!!
After seeing some of the photos of her with her daughter I can see a bond of love and affection. When that little girl is looking up at her mom it's breathtaking...I wonder how casey could have done it...having to hold her dead child in her arms, what was she thinking when she placed her in the trunk and drove knowing the body was there and then buried or reburied her...just think of the mindset she must have had to be in...total disassociation!!
I think someone had to have helped her either dispose of the body, fabricate a story or both!! She had to have reached out to somebody...Someone outside the family but close to Casey...an old friend...not a new acuaintence.
She had to have known she would be found out eventually but why hasn't she come clean!!...In the face of such trauma could she possibly actually believe her own lies. Is it possible that she's actually relieved and that's why she shows such a lack of emotion...Is she trying to muster up enough courage to tell her family? Has she confessed to her lawyer yet??
If not, I feel she will soon.

[Belinda]

The Doctors findings of Caseys mentality makes 100% sense and would agree completely. Her nasty attitude from the start and the comments she would make about people being focused on Caylee and not caring about her. I just want to b*tch slap her. Its all about Casey, she is so focused on needing that attention and being that party girl that she placed Caylee on the back burner. I do wonder if Caylee died accidently? I think she left Caylee in the car in the florida heat while she was out partying. But what I dont understand is if it was an accident why continue to be that party girl a week after her child was gone.

[Mindy]

I really do NOT understand this whole thing. I know there is a lot more to it all, but I really wonder who really LOVES and LOVED Caylee. I believe each of the family memebers knows something and are covering up for one another. Example: Cindy lies and says last time she saw Caylee was June 8/9. Then the cops discover a home video of Caylee with her great grandfather. Cindy admits oh yeah, well I go there all the time I couldn't remember the dates...blah blah blah. Ok, well my question is where did Cindy pick up little Caylee to bring her there? Where did Cindy drop Caylee off? That was June 15th. June 16th-18th the cops want to say thats when something happened, because of the flurrys of phone calls. So, the grandparents went on a trip? Where? How long? Why didn't they answer their cell phones on those dates? Were the grandparents concerned when they got back as of why Casey had been calling them? It took them till July 16th, because of a letter from compound for the car, to find out where their daughter and grand daughter was?

[lorac]

Cindy, those are some good questions--about how Caylee got to the nursing home and where she went afterward.

Also, I agree that it is possible that Casey feels secure in her lies either 1) because she knows Caylee is alive and well (somewhere) or (more likely) she knows her body will neveer be found, due to the manner in which she disposed of her.

Casey's parents have been enabling this BPD,sociopath for a long time--perhaps innocently, ie just trying to cope with a difficult teenager etc. People (parents) don't always know just what they are dealing with... Wonder if there are great grandparents around? Somewhere in the family there are other sociopaths/or other personality disorders.
And guess what, Casey has succeeded in manipulating and fascinating all of us too - primarily because most people really can't understand the inner workings of a sociopath, or even a pathological liar. Basically, I believe there is "no one home" and they have little sense of identity except the one they create, which they know isn't real. Everything is image, nothing is substance. They are very good at seeming normal...

a few other thoughts...

I doubt the bounty hunter would be so interested in this case if Casey wasn't as attractive as she is. He just can't believe that such a pretty girl could be such a bad person.
Hey, it sure would be nice if we could tell by looking!!

Isn't is true that Scott Peterson had no prior criminal behavior? He seemed to be well liked, no early indications that he was whatever he is - socipath, narcissist, BPD --and seems like his wife's family liked him very much! Casey actually seems to have been in more trouble before this event, than Scott was before he murdered his wife. Doesn't sociopathy usually show up earlier (cruelty to animals, lying, other really difficult behavior?) than at 22 or 30?

[lynda]

I realise that the popular theory is that Casey killed her daughter. Just to play the devils advocate here, could she have someone helping her to hide her daughter as a means of punishing her mother in some twisted way.I heard that Cindy had in the weeks preceding this event discussed with Casey the possibilty of Casey finding her own place ie; take on more responsibility for herself and Caylee or maybe Cindy had threatened to apply for custody of Caylee due to Casey's partying behaviour and Casey has now hidden her daughter.

[ReRe!]

I TO AM CONSUMED WITH THIS CASE. lITTLE CASEY'S FACE IS HAUNTING. i TO HAVE LIVED WITH A HABITUAL LIAR. IT IS FRUSTRATING TO SAY THE LEAST. YOU NEVER GET THE WHOLE TRUTH NO MATTER WHAT YOU DO THEY ARE ALSO VERY FAST WITH THEIR LIES. I THINK CINDY AND GEORGE ARE VERY MUCH ACCUSTOMED TO CATERING TO CASEY. HER PROBLEMS, TANTRUMS, AND LIES DOMINATE AND CONSUME THE WHOLE FAMILY. WHEN SHE GOT OUT OF JAIL YESTERDAY SHE THOUGHT SHE WAS A ROCK STAR. SHE WAS EATING UP ALL THE ATTENTION.THEIR IS NO WAY SHE WOULD COME IN MY HOUSE AND SIT BACK AND WATCH TV AND NEVER MENTION MY MISSING GRANDCHILD. IF EVERYONE WOULD STOP BEING AFRAID OF UPSETTING THE PRINCESS WE COULD ALL FIND OUT WHAT HAPPEND TO LITTLE CAYLEE. I THINK SHE USED THEIR LOVE FOR CAYLEE TO GET EVERYTHING SHE EVER WANTED AND NOT HAVE TO WORK FOR IT. ALL SHE HAD TO SAY WAS IF YOU DON'T GIVE ME SO AND SO I'LL LEAVE AND TAKE CAYLEE. WHAT EVER HAS HAPPEND THAT IS EXACTLY WHAT SHE HAS DONE. I PERSONALLY THINK SHE ARRANGED A FAKE KIDNAPPING IN ORDER TO EXTORT MONEY FROM HER FAMILY BUT CINDY HAD HER ARRESTED BEFORE THE PLAN COULD BE FINALIZED. NOW WHO EVER WAS HELPING HER WON'T COME FORWARD. THIS IS FRUSTRATING AND VERY AGGRAVATING. I HOPE THEY FIND HER ALIVE BUT IT DOESN'T LOOK GOOD.

[Wendy]

Interesting observation made re: the grandpa actually being the father. I recall the reference to the father of Caylee as a person who did not want to be a part of her life, that he would not see her nor support her, agreed by both Casey and the alleged father who has since died in a car accident. It would certainly explain why Casey is so messed up and why her parents have stood back and allowed her behavior to go unpunished as a child. Not seeking counseling for a troubled child. . Hopefully, that is incorrect.

Another observed that Casey may have been attempting to extort money from her parents by having her daughter "kidnapped." Casy may have just given her away to a stranger when high/intoxicated/drugged to the point of irrational decision making and by the time she sobered up, could not recall who it was. That this person has not come forward and the fact that no one has seen Caylee in the streets could mean the abductor is an accomplished child predator who has vanished into the shadows with Caylee.

And lastly, if you are still reading :) - Watching Casey in the media, listening to her speak to people, hearing the coverage and description of her behavior during this all, narcissitic screams as the description of this self-righteous woman whom the world is trying to help locate her child and she is anything but grateful.

In this case, it may be that Casey could have been upset with the child or was mad at her for rebellion (the 2-year-old toddler kind of rebellion, tears, angry words, "i hate you, mommy" or "I want to live with gramm and grampa, not you" and then, knee jerk reaction by a mother who is out of control. That would be rage - attack source of rage - get a shovel. Then, try as one might to return to normal like it never happened ("haven't we talked about this enough???" "if you are going to be mean to me, I refuse to acknowledge you or anyone else for that matter" Without the thought that seconds and minutes ticking away, each day that passes is exposing a very little girl to the nightmare of having been separated from her mommy. Her exasperated responses give me a very bad feeling.

It is a gripping story. Too bad it is actually reality. Casey will never talk unless someone breaks her and that would take several days. Maybe she should be sent to Guatanamo Bay. Waterboarding - enhanced interrogation. It might work.

Be careful this woman doesn't do what so many in her shoes have done - get pregnant again in order to be treated more sympathically. No one could hurt a pregnant woman, as we know.

I hope I am wrong. I do hope that there is an angel out there watching over this little girl, unfortunate enough to have been born to a mother without maternal instincts.

[Sherry C.]

Its hard for me to believe someone has little Caylee unless they are somewhere in the world (Puerto Rico?) where this news hasn't been to. With $250,000 for a reward surely the person would be more than happy with the money over a child that is not their own.

["Grandmother of many"]

This case has been driving me wild, till I came up with an answer....Since Casey lies a lot, what if the biological father is not married and dead?...What if he has the child?...That would explain why Casey is not racked with worry?...He may have been the one who "kidnapped" the child...My prayers are with the little girl.

[D]

The family is nuts. Some how Caylee died and the mom tried to cover it up.

I think she left Caylee home alone and when she came home Caylee had died in the pool or something. She called everyone in a panic and when she could not speak to anyone she realized she need to cover it up. Casey buired the body in the backyard with the borrowed shovel. She needed time to think about what she needed to do next. A few days later she dug up the body backed the car in the garage and put Caylee in her trunk along with the gas cans. She then took the body and burned it in the woods and dumped the ashes in a lake. The outfit she had on the mother washed. The dogs (two different dogs) hit on the backyard, gas cans and the trunk of the car.

I wonder if the ashes are in the new cement in the grandparents backyard?

Casey spins the lies to keep the focus on her. She loves the light and thinks we will feel sorry for her. Her family thinks this is Casey and it is OK. Casey's mother knows what a dead body smells like because she is a nurse. She realized she said a dead body but now it is a bad pizza. With an ex-cop in the family we sure know how to spin the lies. The family is nuts and we will never know the truth because Casey IS A LIAR....

As long as she does not spill the beans we will never know.
The poor little girl is gone and Casey will be free to live her life as she wanted (the party girl).